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Drafin · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 562

Adam Schefter of ESPN just reported in the Pro bowl pre game that 90 will "most likely" not be a Panther next year.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4874872&name=schefter_adam&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fentryID%3d4874872%26name%3dschefter_adam

HOOOORAY!!! No goofy 20 million dollar tag cap hit!!!

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Derril · Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:36 pm Post subject:

He also made a statement that he has "no preference" as to which team he would like to be on next season. I don't know how this salary cap/non-salary cap year might pan out, but he raked in around $18 million this year with the bonus for him to go to Miami and sit his butt and live it up a week. This has got to be very disturbing to JR, who saw their better backups leaving off the O-line this past season. This is just another spoke in the debacle for Hurney and Fox to overcome. Delhomme was bad enough, but, when a player rakes in that much dough, like Peppers' did, and has absolutely no allegiance to the team.....it's time to move on. There's more than one pebble on the beach who can play DE even though he's perhaps the most athletic of them all for now. But a man in that spot, giving 100% each game....like he did not, wouldn't be a bad trade off IMO.
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Drafin · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 562

Derril · Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:50 pm Post subject:

I don't think they even want to sign him. I think he's history after this season. If it's an upcapped year, watch for someone like Snyder or Jerry Jones to pick him up. They'll be the only ones who can afford him. If it's a capped year, who knows?

I agree that Brown, Johnson, and even Taylor have shown a lot of potential and could steadily improve with playing time. It's still very likely they'll pick up a FA or draft someone too.
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Easyt · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 877

I dunno. JP put on a clinic in the Pro Bowl, demonstrating why he should be paid and is worth every penney of the $20 Million it would take to franchise him this coming year. That 1 tackle he was credited with, for example, was worth every dollar of that Pro Bowl Selection bonus he received!

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TheJoker · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1798 Location: Winston-Salem, NC

Yeah but for the team to get anything from his leaving they'll have to pay him an even more inflated salary and tag him again. I think at some point common sense says step up and admit that this is just way out of control. Let his ass go and move on. The team has been paying him way too much for way too long. All this intrigue is just idiotic and should be resigned to circular file. Just too damn long and too damn stupid.
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Derril · Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject:

Mick Mixon was on a local Fayetteville ESPN station this evening, and he's quite convinced Peppers will not be back next season. He also couldn't say enough great things about Peppers and never mentioned the invisible year he had, or the games he decided to be invisible in. While we all know Peppers is perhaps the most gifted DE in the business, with ability to leap and do athletic moves that others envy, he's not been the player they bargained for. He won't be back.
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TheJoker · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1798 Location: Winston-Salem, NC

Too much drama, too much distraction, too much uncertainty, too much damn money. Let him walk. I had a relative I loved dearly but whose presense around the family caused nothing but upset. When she passed I mourned her passing but I welcomed the peace that came in her wake. He just isn't worth all this crap.
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and still more info on obtaining comp picks:

In order to qualify for the comp equation:
- a player must have been a true Unrestricted Free Agent whose contract had expired or was voided after the previous season (i.e., he cannot have been released by his old team)

- he must sign during the UFA signing period; if he signs after June 1, he must have been tendered a June 1 qualifying offer by his old team;

- his compensatory value must be above a specific minimum amount

- he cannot have been permanently released by his new team before a certain point in the season (which seems to be after Week 10) or, possibly, before getting a certain amount of playing time, unless he was claimed off waivers by another team.

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Derril · Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:24 am Post subject:

They might get a compensatory pick, but there's no way this team can afford to re-ink him on a franchise tag. I think they know that now. I also think that debacle was considered a two way street last season, that they might get a return for this "investment" that came back to bite them in the butt when no one came calling. It's time to pack him up....ship him out....and move on with the program and the cap space his vacancy creates.
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thetrooper · Joined: 11 Oct 2009 Posts: 37 Location: Baltimore,Maryland

I'm finding it funny that so many teams are after him.yes he's a good player.no he doesn't throw hissy fits and fight with players or coaches and commit crimes but the money he is asking for is crazy wether he's worth it or not

TheJoker · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1798 Location: Winston-Salem, NC

I have yet to hear any team express an overt desire to get him from the Panthers and provide any kind of bargaining issues behind it. If I were to use available knowledge I would say that we are the only ones in a quandary over him and that his pay issues are probably the dis qualifiers.
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TheJoker · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1798 Location: Winston-Salem, NC

Well they didn't set the woods on foire the last two years when he was available.
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Derril · Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:55 am Post subject:

Where he might end up? This is some input Darin Gantt has. (From the Hearld, Rock Hill, S.C.)

http://www.heraldonline.com/247/story/1912996.html

CHARLOTTE -- If you go with the assumption that Julius Peppers won’t be back with the Carolina Panthers (as his agent said), then the next step is figuring out where he might land.

A quick look at the possible destinations, if he hits free agency as he’s hoped for more than a year:

FAVORITES

Philadelphia

Finding a pass-rushing defensive end is their number one priority this offseason. The Eagles have never been bashful about writing big checks to address problems, though they hesitate to do so for players past a certain age. Peppers turned 30 last month, but it’s unlikely that such a needy team would let that limit them.

New England

The center of last year’s speculation. He fits so many of their criteria it’s not funny. Bill Belichick loves to sign established veterans, especially ones without rings. The Patriots still have Tom Brady, which means they’re going to be title contenders regardless. And like the Eagles, they need to find someone to get to quarterbacks, since they suffered a generationally bad pass-rush year.

USUAL SUSPECTS

Washington

As long as the year’s uncapped, everyone will expect the Redskins to make the biggest splash possible. Pass rush isn’t the biggest need there, but it’s Dan Snyder, so you can’t count him out.

SLEEPERS

Seattle, Houston, Denver, Chicago, San Francisco

When we went through this process a year ago there was inordinate chatter about the Texans, who could pair Peppers with Mario Williams and have a dominant pair of ends. Likewise Denver, a defense in flux with its own star pass-rusher (Elvis Dumervil) about to hit the market as well. The Seahawks have the means and the need for a signature star to go alongside some nice defensive parts. The Bears defense hasn’t been the same recently, and badly needs pass-rush, same as the 49ers.

OUT OF THE MIX

New Orleans, Indianapolis, Minnesota, New York Jets, Dallas, Arizona, Baltimore, San Diego.

One of the restrictions on free agency in an uncapped year is the “Final Eight plan,” which prevents the divisional round playoff teams from signing free agents unless they lose one of equivalent value.

Even the teams among that group that might need Peppers (Jets, Ravens, Cardinals) can’t make a run at him because they don’t have a potential free agent to lose to provide the necessary offset.
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Easyt · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 877

Ok, I know I am REALLY reaching, but what is the possibility of Peppers actually demonstrating some SANITY here?

If he REALLY wants to leave he's got to know that no one is going to pay what it will cost to acquire him if Carolina is forced to Franchise him.

He has GOT to know that even if Carolina releases him outright that no one is going to pay him, a 30yo the kind of money he would be getting if Franchised and no guarantee how much he will get on his own (though he can be hoping for a good 'bidding war').

If he REALLY wants to go to a good team, the Pat's Coach already stated last year that they would like to have JP but would not negotiate with him directly. If he cares anything for Carolina, he would agree to a deal w/Carolina with the agreement to trade him on to the Pats or somewhere else.

At least that makes sense to me...but what do I know.

At this point, and the way the Cards handled him in that last playoff game, if he keeps being a buttocks I am all for dumping him and wiping him from memory. The Observer ran a story about the Saints looking forward to a 'Pepper-less Panthers'. I hate to tell them, but at this point so are some Panther Fans!

TheJoker · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1798 Location: Winston-Salem, NC

As I recall the franchise tag can only be used twice and Peppers has been tagged twice. I don't think he has a pot to piss in there, and he's not going to be pursued by Carolina at all if my thinking is right.
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Drafin · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 562

TheJoker · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1798 Location: Winston-Salem, NC

So when do we stop paying this braying ass multi million dollar raises in the hopes he signs with someone else? Frankly his agent has played Hurney and the Panthers for fools getting a tidy paycheck each year without even having to negotiate it, and I'm not so sure it's an intelligent way to deal. I still say send his ass packing and be done with it. That money and cap space could do wonders for the team and he wouldn't be missed.
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Derril · Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject:

There is no cap this year. And from the looks of it, there will be no season next year. From what I read, the owners will receive $5 billion from network television if no games are played in 2011. Now...who holds the leverage? I can see someone like Snyder paying Peppers big bucks to play but I can't see it with most teams.
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Drafin · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 562

TheJoker · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1798 Location: Winston-Salem, NC

That's insane.
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thetrooper · Joined: 11 Oct 2009 Posts: 37 Location: Baltimore,Maryland

that is really crazy

TheJoker · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1798 Location: Winston-Salem, NC

As I understand it Jon Beason makes about $1 million dollars in salary and has been a lion on the defense in both the passing and running defense. So how would 17 Jon Beasons affect the performance of the team if you just let Peppers go and bought as many Beasons as you can for $18 million dollars. I mean the essence of good management is getting the most return for your money and maximizing the effectiveness of the individual units.

1. Has Peppers been as effective as Jon Beason on a game to game or even play to play basis?

2. Would the absence of Peppers be significant in the wake of the number of good players his salary could afford to buy to bolster the defense?

I mean it's just common sense that when you factor in the idiotic drama, the spotty performance of Peppers himself, and the enormous waste of money that attends his membership on the team, it is clear that he is more of a distraction and burden to the team than he is a benefit.
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Drafin · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 562

Easyt · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 877

For less than $20 Million can we possibly find another DE who can contribute the following?

1) 1 (ONE) Tackle tackle per game
2) .4 - .5 Sacks per game (6 - 8 per season)
3) A minimum of 2-3 Rushes/Hurries of the QB per game
4) .25 - .50 Fumbles per game

For less than $20 Mil I am probably sure we could get someone who could do MOST, if not all, of that AND afford to get some solid back-ups and/or other players.

TheJoker · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1798 Location: Winston-Salem, NC

I think that's the point I've been making all along. While we and the team have argued over what to do with Peppers we've had a part time DE who plays when he wants to and generally doesn't live up to the numbers he has put up in different seasons. Kind of like John Fox.

In the meantime we have a potential of $18 million which could provide an incredible amount of help to the team and probably help bring in players to give the team depth and perhaps even new weapons which could elevate the teams game and make them more competitive.

And we are still debating this physical specimen who could be a game changer every game, but who chooses instead to be a unreliable and unpredictable entity that's costing us almost $17 million a year. I mean what amount of active brain cells does it take to see this for the lop sided charlie foxtrot the team is getting and paying through the ass for?
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Derril · Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject:

ESPN:

Peppers stated he no longer wants a long term deal with the Carolina Panthers and also said he did not like the way the team "ignored" him during the season.

Say what? Ignore him? How can you ignore a million dollar a game player who's franchise tag completely wiped out the off season free agent market. How can you ignore a player who's up for one game and down for three? If he wants out.....just don't let the door hit him in the butt.
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TheJoker · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1798 Location: Winston-Salem, NC

Thank you very much. This is what I call validation.
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Easyt · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 877

What a complete Narcissistic prime Dona!

The guy gives Carolina the cold shoulder all last off-season, refusing to contact/talk to the team, and refusing to come back and sign the tenure so that we could even adhere to his request to trade him.

He then plays an entire year (dpending on your definition of the term 'playing ALL year') for $1 mil a game, occassionally providing as 'much' production as 1 (one) tackle per game, somehow makes the Pro Bowl on effort that was clearly NOT his best, has refused to talk to carolina up until now about a contract...

And NOW he is bad-mouthing his own team for not chasing him around pleading like some rock band groupie/whore for his attention and the 'right' to offer him a contract that would make him the highest-paid defensive player in the NFL?!

Kick this 30-year-old, home-grown, loaded-with-potential, 'freakishly talented', inconsistent, part-time playing, un-motivated, lazy, taking-my-talent-for-granted, you-need-me-more-than-I-need-you, I-am-the-best-thing-you-gots-going-for-you, if-it-ain't-you-somebody-else-will-pay-me-what-I-want, fan-ignoring, over-paid, selfish, egotistical Neanderthal out of Charlotte already and be done with it!

I would rather have someone with less raw talent, a tremendous heart, a great motor, the will to win, and a desire to be in Charlotte giving it his all ever down with his teammates than this self-absorbed, greedy SOB!

If we pay this sucka - especially what he demands...and keep him, I hope we can start NEW/FRESH next (2011) season with a clean sweep, showing HIM and the clowns (Fox/Hurney) who re-signed him at some gawd-awful price the door!

In an Un-Capped year/season, however, I hope we can re-sign his big gooney-googoo a$$ and trade him for something - a WR + a big DT, a WR, a couple friggin' Snow Cone Machines/Stands for the stadium - SOMETHING...ANYTHING!

"Merry Christmas...H0ly SH!T...where's the tylenol?!"

Drafin · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 562

Just got finished listening to interview that ESPN and everyone else is quoting and taking their info from on WFNZ, on the Mac Attack show.

I can honestly say that he has been shielded and kept away from the interviews, because from this interview, you can tell he is not very bright nor quick on his feet if he is not prepared.

When Mac switched up the interview and asked him about the fans thinking he was taking plays off, his stuttered and mumbled response was that people "... just don't know my responsibilities on that play that that looks like that...". Well yes I do. Your responsibility, unless you drop back in coverage in the Tampa 2 defense is to get pressure on the QB. The front 4 is always responsible for getting to QB and forcing the RB into a jam in run coverage by being in the backfield. So that explanation is bogus.

What I can't get over is that a graduate of UNC can sound so ... well... slow, in an interview. I always liked to think that Duke, UNC, Wake, and NCSU were producing intelligent college graduates. They missed on this one.

Listen for yourself. (direct link to the audio)

http://www.wfnz.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=4376658

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TheJoker · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1798 Location: Winston-Salem, NC

Oh I've always believed that he was dumb as dirt and have always said that what was quoted in interviews very likely didn't come out of his mouth because he seems barely able to talk. I'd express further opinions but the Sarah Palin would get on my ass for using the "R" word.
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Drafin · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 562

Well coming from someone (when I was in law enforcement) who devoted many many hours to fund raising and assisting with organizing events for the Special Olympics I kinda see both sides of the "R" word argument. But I lean toward the side of if you wouldn't say it to the parent of a child with disabilities then you more than likely shouldn't use it period. The same holds true for any word that someone may find offensive.

The two though that I don't get are substituting "person of interest" for suspect and dropping Christmas. On person of interest, I can guarantee you that the police are calling it suspect in closed circles. And besides, whats offensive about being called a suspect? It means you are suspected of a crime, not that you actually did it for sure, that would be a conviction. That one drives me crazy. As for Christmas, I have Jewish friends and the are not offended when I wish them merry Christmas just as I am not offended when they wish me happy Hanukkah or my African American friends wish me happy Kwanzaa. People all need to lighten up...when it comes right down to it it's all just words anyway.

(sorry had to vent) :)

On 90, I really wanted to believe though that he was at least somewhat educated at Carolina. Did you listen to the interview TJ ? He really is not very smart at all. I know the speech patterns he used can be habit but it really seemed that he was just basically slow in his thoughts.

Now this does not take away anything from his football ability at all but it could explain a bit about his financial demands... I'm fairly certain that they are not coming from him... he's not smart enough to make such demands and his agent may send him into a bad situation in a big market town... oh well, won;t be our problem will it? :)

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TheJoker · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1798 Location: Winston-Salem, NC

That's probably the biggest piss off of all. He has the skill, but not the will. It really is such a pity. I guess though if he's making $17 million a year he's a damn site smarter than all of us there.
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TheJoker · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1798 Location: Winston-Salem, NC

I assure you that you're in good company.
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